Why Kaizer Chiefs is bigger than Orlando Pirates
Professionalism – Orlando Pirates is way below to be compared to Kaizer Chiefs. They don’t own training grounds nor offices, they rent both. Kaizer Chiefs has a world class football village (Naturena).
Club Value – Kaizer Chiefs is ranked the most valuable club in South Africa followed by Vodacom Blue Bulls and the rest.
Players’ Salaries – Highest paid player at Kaizer Chiefs earns R470,000; highest paid player at Orlando Pirates earns R225,000. No need to argue.
Club Honours – Kaizer Chiefs’ official club trophies double the number of trophies Orlando Pirates have. The only trophy which Kaizer Chiefs doesn’t have is the CAF Champions League. But Orlando Pirates is 70 something years and Kaizer Chiefs is 45.
Fans – Kaizer Chiefs make every game a home game in South Africa regardless of where they play at. It is the most followed team in Southern Africa with millions of fans.
Sponsors – Kaizer Chiefs sponsors are: Nike, Hollard, Vodacom, Carling Black Label, Nissan, SuperSport and Powerade (big companies); while Orlando Pirates sponsors are: adidas, Vodacom, Peugeot and Carling Black Label.
Playing Grounds – both teams rent stadiums.
Do we need to still have an argument here? It’s clear that Kaizer Chiefs is bigger than Orlando Pirates. End of story finish!
Of those 155 Soweto Derbies, 67 have been won by the Glamour Boys, while the Buccaneers have registered only 36 wins over the Absa Premiership defending champions.
Chiefs have put 206 goals past Pirates, 44 more than the Sea Robbers have scored (162) against them in all competitions in the last 45 years.
History From en.wikipedia.org
Kaizer Chiefs were founded on 7 January 1970 shortly after the return of Kaizer “Chincha Guluva” Motaung from the United States where he played as a striker for the Atlanta Chiefs of the North American Soccer League (NASL). He combined his own first name with the Atlanta Chiefs to create the name of Kaizer Chiefs.
Several other people have played key roles in the formation and growth of Kaizer Chiefs, including the late Gilbert Sekgabi, Clarence Mlokoti, China Ngema,Ewert “The Lip” Nene and Rabelani Jan Mofokeng, he trailed and quit because of work.
Kaizer Chiefs are known as Amakhosi by its fans. Their headquarters is Kaizer Chiefs Village, in Naturena, six kilometres south of Johannesburg.
The 2001/2002 season was one of the Club’s most successful in their history as well as their most tragic. They won four major trophies in four months; the Vodacom Challenge, the BP Top Eight, the Coca-Cola Cup, and the African Cup Winners’ Cup. At the time the team was said to have been a team that was on “Operation vat alles” by its then public relations officer Putco Mfani, “vat alles” being an Afrikaans statement meaning “take everything” in English. However, the highs of cup wins was contrasted by the lows of theEllis Park Stadium disaster on 11 April 2001, in which 43 fans were crushed to death during the Soweto derby between Chiefs and their arch-rivals Orlando Pirates.
By virtue of winning the African Cup Winners’ Cup, Chiefs went on to play the 2001 CAF Champions League winners Al-Ahly of Egypt in the 2001 CAF Super Cup. In April 2002, Kaizer Chiefs’ achievements during 2001 were recognized as they were chosen as the “CAF Club of the Year” by the Confederation of African Football.
In the 2003/2004 season Chiefs were given the Fair Play Award at the Peace Cup in South Korea. Chiefs ended the season as league champions, winning the PSL for the first time in their history.
During the championship race of the 2004/2005 soccer season, Chiefs overtook the season-long leaders (Orlando Pirates) in the last game of the season to defend its PSL championship. Under the leadership of Romanian coach Ted Dumitru, Zambian striker Collins Mbesuma had a record-breaking season scoring 39 goals in all competitions.
Kaizer Chiefs’ forays into Africa were temporarily scuttled by a Confederation of African Football (CAF) ban.However, it still made its presence felt through the annual Vodacom Challenge that pit Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates with an invited European club. Chiefs have won the Vodacom Challenge Cup 5 times since its inception. They beat a young Manchester United side 4–3 on penalties in the 2006 Challenge to win the trophy.
In March 2007, coach Ernst Middendorp and the club parted company. The club instantly appointed their rival team Orlando Pirates’ former coach Kosta Papić for the remainder of the 2006/7 season.
Muhsin Ertuğral returned for the 2007/2008 season to begin his second stint with Chiefs having already coached The Glamour Boys from 1999 until 2003.
During the past years, the Amakhosi have used no less than nine stadiums in Johannesburg as their home-ground, and often rotated between several stadiums during the season. In August 2006, the club made a strategic decision to sign a “mutual interest agreement” with a stadium developer and the local municipality regarding the construction of a new permanent home venue for Kaizer Chiefs, at a total planned cost of R1.2 billion (£105m), which was to be partly owned by the club. This future home venue was named Amakhosi Stadium, and will be situated in Krugersdorp, roughly 40 km west of Johannesburg. Initially it was planned to open in December 2008, but according to the latest revised construction plan, it is now expected only to be finalized by August 2012. The planned stadium was redesigned into a cheaper project, with a new price tag at R700 million, and the capacity being reduced from 55,000 to 35,000 seats. As part of the new revised construction plan for the stadium, it was announced by Kaizer Chiefs, that they no longer plan to be one of the owners of the stadium, but remain ready to support the stadium as a long time committed tenant.
The new stadium was initially planned to be part of a greater sports precinct, into which the club would also move its entire “Kaizer Chiefs Youth Development Programme”. The Gauteng Provincial Government have agreed to develop the needed infrastructures around the stadium, in order to guarantee sufficient road and railway access for the huge crowd of spectators.
The stadium developers initially had set time lines for the Amakhosi stadium, to open its doors for the public in December 2008. As of July 2010, construction however had not yet started. Kaizer Chiefs announced in August 2010, that construction of Amakhosi Stadium was now expected only to start in fall 2010, and finalised by August 2012. It had been postponed several years, due to Kaizer Chiefs and its joint partners, facing difficulties to finance the construction. For the football seasons in 2010–12, the team instead planned to use Rand Stadium as their home venue.
Kaizer Chiefs however only played four of their 15 home games at Rand Stadium in 2010–11, due to some experienced capacity problems, with the transportation related infrastructures around the stadium -and a low spectator attendance. Instead the team during this season, played most of their home games, at the big FNB Stadium -Soccer City.
- Premier Soccer League: 4
- Champions 2003–04, 2004–05, 2012–13, 2014–15
- National Soccer League: 3
- Champions 1989, 1991, 1992
- NPSL: 5
- Champions 1974, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1984
- MTN 8: 15
- Winners 1974, 1976, 1977, 1981, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1994, 2001, 2006, 2008, 2014
- Telkom Knockout: 13
- Winners 1983, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2010
- Nedbank Cup: 13
- Winners 1971, 1972, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1987, 1992, 2000, 2006, 2013
- Charity Spectacular: 11
- Winners 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2003, 2010
- Ohlsson’s Challenge Cup titles: 2
- Winners 1987, 1989
- Castle Challenge Cup: 2
- Winners 1990, 1991
- Stylo Cup: 1
- Winners 1970
- UCT Super Team Competition: 1
- Winners 1972
- Sales House Cup: 6
- Winners 1974, 1976, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984
- Panasonic Cup: 1
- Winners 1986
- Carling Black Label Cup: 1
- Winners 2013
- African Cup Winners’ Cup: 1
- Winners 2001
- African Club of the Year: 1
- Winners 2001
- Vodacom Challenge: 5
- Winners 2000, 2001, 2003, 2006, 2009
Kaizer Chiefs still far ahead of Orlando Pirates in head-to-head Soweto Derby wins
Amakhosi have won 67 matches to Pirates’ 37, with 47 of those matches drawn. A further five games have been abandoned for various reasons.
Chiefs are also well ahead in the scoring stakes with 207 goals to Pirates’ 165.
The last 11 competitive meetings between the sides have yielded just three victories for Pirates, in the League in the 2011/12 season, in the MTN8 semi-finals in 2013 and in last week’s 3-1 Absa Premiership victory.
Chiefs have won three of the last 11 games, with the other five games drawn. There have been just 20 goals scored in those 11 matches, well below the League average of around 2.5 goals per game.
That 3-2 League win for Pirates three-and-a-half years ago was also the last time the ‘home’ team won this fixture, with the last 10 games either providing wins for the ‘away’ side or draws.
Although recent clashes (excluding last week’s game) have seen just a smattering of goals, this was not always the case, especially in the 1970s.
On two occasions there have been 10 goals scored in a Soweto Derby, including the very first in January 1970 when Pirates triumphed 6-4.
Chiefs got revenge five years later when they claimed a thumping 7-3 success.
|Kaizer Chiefs vs Orlando Pirates||Orlando Pirates vs Kaizer Chiefs|
|1996-97||Premier Soccer League||18.01.1997||FNB Stadium||0 – 1||?|
|1997-98||Premier Soccer League||22.11.1997||FNB Stadium||1 – 1||07.03.1998||Orlando Stadium||1 – 1|
|1998-99||Premier Soccer League||09.10.1998||FNB Stadium||2 – 2||13.02.1999||Orlando Stadium||1 – 2|
|1999-2000||Premier Soccer League||13.06.2000||FNB Stadium||2 – 2||20.11.1999||Orlando Stadium||1 – 0|
|2000-01||Premier Soccer League||09.06.2001||FNB Stadium||1 – 0||29.11.2000||Orlando Stadium||1 – 1|
|2001-02||Premier Soccer League||15.12.2001||FNB Stadium||0 – 3||04.05.2002||Orlando Stadium||1 – 1|
|2002-03||Premier Soccer League||14.03.2003||FNB Stadium||2 – 0||07.12.2002||Orlando Stadium||1 – 1|
|2003-04||Premier Soccer League||13.12.2003||FNB Stadium||1 – 0||01.05.2004||Orlando Stadium||1 – 0|
|2004-05||Premier Soccer League||29.04.2005||FNB Stadium||1 – 1||29.10.2004||Orlando Stadium||2 – 1|
|2005-06||Premier Soccer League||28.10.2005||FNB Stadium||2 – 0||09.05.2006||Orlando Stadium||0 – 1|
|2006-07||Premier Soccer League||08.12.2006||FNB Stadium||1 – 1||27.04.2007||Orlando Stadium||1 – 1|
|2007-08||Premier Soccer League||10.05.2008||FNB Stadium||1 – 0||24.11.2007||Orlando Stadium||2 – 2|
|2008-09||Premier Soccer League||15.11.2008||0 – 2||02.05.2009||Orlando Stadium||2 – 1|
|2009-10||Premier Soccer League||31.10.2009||Loftus Versfeld Stadium||0 – 0||40,000||20.02.2010||Orlando Stadium||0 – 0||14,000|
|2010-11||Premier Soccer League||26.02.2011||FNB Stadium||1 – 1||92,515||13.11.2010||FNB Stadium||1 – 3||74,875|
|2011-12||Premier Soccer League||17.09.2011||FNB Stadium||2 – 0||25,000||17.03.2012||FNB Stadium||3 – 2||87,171|
|2012-13||Premier Soccer League||09.03.2013||FNB Stadium||0 – 0||80,000||08.12.2012||FNB Stadium||0 – 0||84,000|
|2013-14||Premier Soccer League||26.10.2013||FNB Stadium||1 – 1||80,000||15.03.2014||FNB Stadium||0 – 1||90,000|
|2014-15||Premier Soccer League||07.03.2015||FNB Stadium||0 – 0||8,000||06.12.2014||FNB Stadium||0 – 2||71,282|
|2015-16||Premier Soccer League||31.10.2015||FNB Stadium||1 – 3||90,000||30.01.2016||FNB Stadium||0 – 0||60,000|
|Season||Competition||Round||Date||Stadium||Home team||Result||Away team||Attendance||Notes|
|1970-71||Life Challenge Cup||Final||?||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates||2 – 2 (aet)||Kaizer Chiefs||Kaizer Chiefs won 2 – 1 after replay|
|Final replay||?||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||2 – 1||Orlando Pirates|
|1971-72||MTN 8||Final||?||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates||2 – 1 (aet)||Kaizer Chiefs|
|1974-75||Life Challenge Cup||Final||?||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates||3 – 2||Kaizer Chiefs|
|Life Challenge Cup||Final 1st leg||?||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||4 – 1||Orlando Pirates||Kaizer Chiefs won 6 – 2 on aggregate|
|Final 2ng leg||?||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates||1 – 2||Kaizer Chiefs|
|1975-76||Benson & Hedges Cup||Final||?||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||1 – 0||Orlando Pirates|
|1976-77||Benson & Hedges Cup||Final||?||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||1 – 0||Orlando Pirates|
|1980-81||Nedbank Cup||Final||?||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates||1 – 1 (aet)||Kaizer Chiefs||Kaizer Chiefs won 3 – 1 on aggregate|
|Final replay||?||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||3 – 1||Orlando Pirates|
|1983-84||Nedbank Cup||Final||?||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||1 – 0||Orlando Pirates|
|1987-88||Bob Save Super Bowl||Final||?||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates||1 – 0||Kaizer Chiefs|
|1996||Bob Save Super Bowl||Semi Final||?||?||Orlando Pirates||4 – 1||Kaizer Chiefs|
|1997-98||Bob Save Super Bowl||2nd Round||27.03.1998||?||Kaizer Chiefs||0 – 1||Orlando Pirates|
|1998-99||Bob Save Super Bowl||Semi Final 1st leg||31.10.1998||?||Kaizer Chiefs||3 – 1||Orlando Pirates||Kaizer Chiefs won 3 – 2 on aggregate|
|Semi Final 2nd leg||14.11.1998||?||Orlando Pirates||1 – 0||Kaizer Chiefs|
|2001-02||MTN 8||Semi Final||25.08.2001||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||1 – 0||Orlando Pirates|
|2005-06||ASBA Cup||Final||19.05.2006||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs *||0 – 0 (5 – 3 pens)||Orlando Pirates|
|2009-10||Telkom Knockout||Semi Final||05.04.2010||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates *||0 – 0 (0 – 3 pens)||Kaizer Chiefs|
|2010-11||MTN 8||Semi Final 1st leg||11.09.2010||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates||1 – 1||Kaizer Chiefs||Orlando Pirates won 2 – 1 on aggregate|
|Semi Final 2nd leg||26.09.2010||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||0 – 1||Orlando Pirates|
|Telkom Knockout||Final||03.12.2010||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates *||0 – 3||Kaizer Chiefs|
|2012-12||MTN 8||Final||10.09.2011||FNB Stadium||Orlando Pirates *||1 – 0 (aet)||Kaizer Chiefs|
|2012-13||MTN 8||Semi Final 1st leg||24.08.2013||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||0 – 1||Orlando Pirates||83,000||Orlando Pirates won 1 – 0 on aggregate|
|Semi Final 2nd leg||24.09.2013||Orlando Stadium||Orlando Pirates||0 – 0||Kaizer Chiefs||40,000|
|2014-15||MTN 8||Final||20.09.2014||Moses Mabhida Stadium||Orlando Pirates *||0 – 1||Kaizer Chiefs||50,000|
|2015-16||Telkom Knockout||Semi Final||07.11.2015||FNB Stadium||Kaizer Chiefs||0 – 0||Orlando City||Kaizer Chiefs won 6 – 5 on penalties|
* Played as neutral game with one side designated as the ‘home team’.
|Competition||Kaizer Chiefs||Orlando Pirates|
|League||Premier Soccer League (1996-present)||4||4|
|National Soccer League (1985-1995)||3||1|
|National Premier Soccer League (1971-1984)||6||3|
|International||CAF Champions League||–||1|
|African Cup Winners’ Cup||–|
|CAF Super Cup||–||1|
|Total Competition Wins||54||28|
Head-to-head ranking in Premier Soccer League(1996/97 )
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